Talk:Marilyn Monroe - Revision history

Wjhonson at 05:04, 7 March 2008

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‎Nameless wife?

Wjhonson: /* Links to documents */

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Wjhonson at 18:31, 5 December 2007

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89.142.104.116 at 17:41, 5 December 2007

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89.142.104.116 at 17:31, 5 December 2007

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89.142.104.116 at 17:30, 5 December 2007

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== Links to documents ==

With all due respect, I don't think it's customary (or desirable) to refer to websites that require a subscription - a PAID subscription in this case - to ANY relevant document (i.e. cited in the text).

In this case, the link to the relevant vital record (and ''public'' one, to boot) - namely, MM's birth certificate - points to a commercial website that won't let so much as take a peek at it without paying through the nose!

This particular document can be seen - free of charge (as is customary for public records of the kind) - on several other websites. They are perhaps less "respectable" (in appearance) but they are accessible to ALL.

And that, I believe, is precisely the goal of an "webcyclopedia" such as this one: to make knowledge publicly accessible and free of charge.

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 Barbara Monroe is the illegitimate daughter of Marilyn Monroe. (Social Security Documents)
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	:I use what I have available. It would be worse, were I to cite a fact, and no underlying documentary source at all. Some of the sources I cite, I also fully extract, others I do not.[[User:Wjhonson\|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)		:I use what I have available. It would be worse, were I to cite a fact, and no underlying documentary source at all. Some of the sources I cite, I also fully extract, others I do not.[[User:Wjhonson\|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	With all due respect, it has also been well documented that Charles Stanley Gifford was the natural father of Marilyn Monroe.
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		+	Barbara Monroe is the illegitimate daughter of Marilyn Monroe. (Social Security Documents)

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	:Unfortunately, my sources do not give her a surname. You are more than welcome to order the documents and see what they say. [[User:Wjhonson\|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)		:Unfortunately, my sources do not give her a surname. You are more than welcome to order the documents and see what they say. [[User:Wjhonson\|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	:Oops I have to correct myself here. I do cite, if you read further, that her son's death certificate index entry states his mother's maiden name was Higgins. So I've now updated the page in the discussion of him and his father to state that. Thanks. [[User:Wjhonson\|Wjhonson]] 10:49, 5 December 2007 (PST)

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 And that, I believe, is precisely the goal of an "webcyclopedia" such as this one: to make knowledge publicly accessible and free of charge.
-:I use what I have available.  It would be worse, were I to cite a fact, and no underlying documentary source at all. [[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)
+:I use what I have available.  It would be worse, were I to cite a fact, and no underlying documentary source at all. Some of the sources I cite, I also fully extract, others I do not.[[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)
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 And that, I believe, is precisely the goal of an "webcyclopedia" such as this one: to make knowledge publicly accessible and free of charge.
+:I use what I have available.  It would be worse, were I to cite a fact, and no underlying documentary source at all. [[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 10:31, 5 December 2007 (PST)
 == Nameless wife? ==
 Being a genealogist myself, I am rather surprised that ''Catherine "Katie"'' -  the wife of Martin Mortenson ("a '''Norwegian'''" - there is a typo on the page: a superfluous "i") - is listed without her surname identified.
 I know, of course, that females often remained "nameless" in old documents (although, it should be said, that this document in particular is not THAT old, so it's hard to believe that her surname could not be identified), but in such cases it is customary to explain the absence of the data (e.g. 'surname unknown') - ''especially'' in documents which cannot be regarded as particularly "old", in genealogical terms (i.e. documents dating from the 18th-19th century).

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	And that, I believe, is precisely the goal of an "webcyclopedia" such as this one: to make knowledge publicly accessible and free of charge.		And that, I believe, is precisely the goal of an "webcyclopedia" such as this one: to make knowledge publicly accessible and free of charge.
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		+	Being a genealogist myself, I am rather surprised that ''Catherine "Katie"'' - the wife of Martin Mortenson ("a '''Norwegian'''" - there is a typo on the page: a superfluous "i") - is listed without her surname identified.
		+	I know, of course, that females often remained "nameless" in old documents (although, it should be said, that this document in particular is not THAT old, so it's hard to believe that her surname could not be identified), but in such cases it is customary to explain the absence of the data (e.g. 'surname unknown') - ''especially'' in documents which cannot be regarded as particularly "old", in genealogical terms (i.e. documents dating from the 18th-19th century).

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 == Links to documents ==
-With all due respect, I don't think it's customary (or desirable) to refer to websites that require a subscription - a PAID subscription in this case - to ANY relevant document (i.e. cited in the text).
+With all due respect, I don't think it's customary (or desirable) to refer to websites that require a subscription - a PAID subscription in this case - to view ANY relevant document (i.e. cited in the text).
 In this case, the link to the relevant vital record (and ''public'' one, to boot) - namely, MM's birth certificate -  points to a commercial website that won't let so much as take a peek at it without paying through the nose!