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| − | Copyright 2007, Will Johnson, [mailto:wjhonson@aol.com wjhonson@aol.com], Professional Genealogist, All Rights Reserved. This page is locked, if you'd like to add or correct anything, please email me. | + | '''Lady Godiva''', real and semi-mythical figure from early England |
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**[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1232 Charter S1232] : "Leofric, comes, and his wife (Godgifu), to St Mary's, Worcester..." | **[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1232 Charter S1232] : "Leofric, comes, and his wife (Godgifu), to St Mary's, Worcester..." | ||
**[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1233 Charter S1233] : "Godiva (Godgifu), wife of Leofric, to St Mary's, Stow..." | **[http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=get&type=charter&id=1233 Charter S1233] : "Godiva (Godgifu), wife of Leofric, to St Mary's, Stow..." | ||
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| + | *Terry Booth in a posting to Gen-Medieval 23 Aug 2007 states : | ||
| + | **"Aelfgar the Earl's son ('Alfger þe Erles sune') appears as a witness in ASC document S1531 (Will of Thurstan, son of Wine) dated (1043 x 1045) - noted as probably authentic. Unless it can be shown this is not earl Leofric's son, it would be the earliest record for him [http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1531 Citation]. He is also a witness as 'Aelfgar nobilis' in the 'probably authentic' S1019 (dated to 1049) which his father 'Leofric dux' as well as 'Godwine dux' and 'Harold dux' also witnessed [http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1019 Citation]. The 1049 date suggests that assigning him an earldom before then is probably incorrect, and that Florence is probably right in dating the start of Aelfgar's 'temporary' earlship to Sep 1051 (after Godwine had fled to Flanders). | ||
| + | **"ASC document S1042 (20/24 May 1065) - noted as probably authentic - may be the earliest mention of son Eadwine as earl - 'Eadwine dux'. This record would also prove that Morcar had not yet been named to replace earl Tostig/Tosti. [http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+1042 Citation]. This is consistent with ASC's statement that Morcar/Morkar was named earl 'the eve of St. Simon's and St. Jude's mass' in 1965 [http://books.google.com/books?id=4jEIAAAAQAAJ&pg=coverpage#PPA438,M1 citation], which Florence dates to 28 Oct 1065 [http://books.google.com/books?id=gpR0iz5GjYgC&pg=RA1-PA486&vq=godiva#PRA1-PA167,M1 Citation] | ||
| + | **"If one presumes that Aelfgar's sons Eadwine and Morcar were both of age when acting as earls in 1065 (one being of course older), and that dau Aeldgyth/Ealdgyth was a mother abt 1057, Aelfgar was prob a father and m. by 1040 if not earlier. If Aelfgar was the witness to the 1045 will (which presumably required him to be of age), that suggests he was b. at least by 1025. He was d. bef 20/24 May 1065, when his son Eadwine had succeeded him as earl. | ||
| + | **If one instead accepts the suggestion that Eadwine and Morcar were mere 16 and 18 year-old teenagers when named earls (proof not seen), they would have been b. as late as 1046 and 1048. This could move Aelfgar's marriage date closer to 1045 dependant on the birthdate presumed for Ealdgyth. The brothers would then be 17 and 19 when Florence writes that on the eve of 20 Sep 1066, "before the king's arrival, the two brothers, Edwin and Morcar, at the head of a large army, fought a battle with the Norwegians on the northern bank of the river Ouse, near York.". If they were indeed brash young teenagers who wouldn't take advice from anyone, that could explain why they lost that battle. 5 days later, Harold defeated the same enemy at Stanford Bridge. Killing, among others, 'earl Tosti', the man whose earldom of Northumbria had been granted Morcar les than a year earlier." | ||
==="Florence" (John) of Worcester=== | ==="Florence" (John) of Worcester=== | ||
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*John P Ravilous in a posting to Gen-Med 15 Aug 2007 states : "In the listing provided in Domesday Book (1086) of the lands of the Church of Coventry, in Stanley Hundred, there is a description of the land of Binley. The text states in part, "Aldgid, the wife of Grifin, held this land. The Abbey bought it of Osbern the son of Richard", citing[http://books.google.com/books?id=zQMIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=aldgid+uxor&ei=eJfDRrfqKIb07gKp8_XTDw&ie=ISO-8859-1 William Reades, trans. Domesday Book, for the County of Warwick] (Coventry: W. Reader, 1835), p. 14: 'Ipsa eccl'a ten' BILVEIE. Ibi sunt iii hidae T'ra e' viii car'. In d'nio e' una car' et iiii serui et x uill'i et vi bord' eu' v car'. Ibi viii ac' p'ti. Silua dimid' leu'u l'g' et una q'rent' lat'. T. R. E. et modo ual' LX solid'. Hanc tra' tenuit. Aldgid uxor Grifin. Hanc abb' emit ab 0' filio Ricardi. Ipsa eccl'a ten' in CONDONE iii virg' t'rae. T'ra e' ii car'. Ibi sunt iiii uill'i et vi bord' eu' ii car' et i fiemo. Silua iii q'r' et xxx p'tic' l'g' et iii q'rent' lat'. Valuit et ual' xx solid'.' | *John P Ravilous in a posting to Gen-Med 15 Aug 2007 states : "In the listing provided in Domesday Book (1086) of the lands of the Church of Coventry, in Stanley Hundred, there is a description of the land of Binley. The text states in part, "Aldgid, the wife of Grifin, held this land. The Abbey bought it of Osbern the son of Richard", citing[http://books.google.com/books?id=zQMIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=aldgid+uxor&ei=eJfDRrfqKIb07gKp8_XTDw&ie=ISO-8859-1 William Reades, trans. Domesday Book, for the County of Warwick] (Coventry: W. Reader, 1835), p. 14: 'Ipsa eccl'a ten' BILVEIE. Ibi sunt iii hidae T'ra e' viii car'. In d'nio e' una car' et iiii serui et x uill'i et vi bord' eu' v car'. Ibi viii ac' p'ti. Silua dimid' leu'u l'g' et una q'rent' lat'. T. R. E. et modo ual' LX solid'. Hanc tra' tenuit. Aldgid uxor Grifin. Hanc abb' emit ab 0' filio Ricardi. Ipsa eccl'a ten' in CONDONE iii virg' t'rae. T'ra e' ii car'. Ibi sunt iiii uill'i et vi bord' eu' ii car' et i fiemo. Silua iii q'r' et xxx p'tic' l'g' et iii q'rent' lat'. Valuit et ual' xx solid'.' | ||
| − | *Terry Booth posting to Gen-Med 25 | + | *Terry Booth posting to Gen-Med 25 Aug 2007 states : |
| + | <blockquote>"While we can't prove her b. and m. dates, Domesday Book provides proof she d. aft 14 Oct 1066 Battle of Hastings. "[Nottingham Domesday], i, 249r (11-37) Robert of Stafford; Madeley (in Checkley). TRW Robert of Stafford holds a half hide in Madeley, and Wulfheah holds from him. Godgifu held it TRE. She even held it after the coming of King William into England, but she could not withdraw from her land." If the translation can be trusted, this proves she d. after Harold's death at Hastings. The statement also proves her ownership status was sharply reduced after the conquest (suggesting her lands had been confiscated). See [http://books.google.com/books?id=YpI9-3hPiYkC&pg=PA454&dq=godgifu+1066+domesday&sig=6xVYj7YZMsv1rzxKfyggzMQjFtg#PPA240,M1 link]</blockquote> | ||
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| + | <blockquote>The Lincolnshire Domesday Book starts with a notable statement of the king's special laws (and 1086 real estate tax rate) applicable to all properties in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire. It also has this very important statement "Here is noted who had [i.e. TRE] soke and sake and toll and team and the king's custom of two pennies [i.e. full property rights]; the Archbishop of York over his manors; the Countess Godgifu over Newark Wapentake; Ulf Fenisc over his land; the Abbot of Perborough over Collingham; the Abbot of Burton; Earl Hugh over Markheaton (Derbysh.); the Bishop of Chester; Toki; Swein son of Svavic; Siward Barn; Wulfric Cild; Alsige of Illing; Leofwine son of ASlwine; Azur son of Svala; Countess Aelfgifu; Countess Gode; Alsige son of Karski over Worksop; Henry de Ferrers over Ednaston [Derbysh],Doveridge [Derbysh]and Brailsford [Derbysh]; Walter d'Aincourt over Branby, Morton [Derbysh] and Pilsley (in North Wingfield) [Derbysh]; [total of 19 owners with some interesting associations]. Of these, none could have the earl's [presumably earl Harold, who was never identified as king in Domesday] third penny TRE, unless by his consent, and that for as long as he should live, except for the Archbishop of York, Ulf Fenisc and Countess Godgifu." This proves Godgifu survived her son Aelfgar, and that she held superior rights to every other property owner except two - the Archbishop of York and Ulf Fenisc. [Related question - who was Ulf Fenisc to be so highly ranked?] To hold the earl's third pennie would seem to date the record to the short-lived reign of 'earl' Harold. Aelfgar's widow, Countess Aelfgifu, is also proven to be alive on the date of this record. See [http://books.google.com/books?id=YpI9-3hPiYkC&pg=PA454&dq=godgifu+1066+domesday&sig=6xVYj7YZMsv1rzxKfyggzMQjFtg#PPA217,M1. link]"</blockquote> | ||
===Orderic Vitalis=== | ===Orderic Vitalis=== | ||
| − | + | *John P Ravilous in a posting to Gen-Med 16 Aug 2007 quotes Orderic Vitalis : 'Earl AElfgar built a monastery at Coventry...... And Godiva, his pious countess, lavished all her treasure upon the church: sending for goldsmiths she gave them her whole store of gold..... These parents, so devoted to God and beneficent to the church, had a progeny both fair and greatly to be praised: Edwin, Morcar, and one daughter called Edith, who married first Gruffydd king of the Welsh and after his death Harold king of England.' [Chibnall, ed. The Ecclesiatical History of Orderic Vitalis, Book IV, p. 217.] And then John goes on to say :"Orderic was wrong on several details to be sure (Godiva as countess of AElfgar is somewhat noticeable). Sorting out what is wrong from what is correct is an issue; see Part III, p. 139, where Orderic previously stated of Harold and his dealings with Edwin and Morcar, that 'he had taken to wife their sister Edith. She had formerly been the wife of Gruffydd, a great Welsh prince, and had born him Bleddyn the heir to the throne and a daughter called Nest.' Bleddyn was a successor to Gruffydd, but was Gruffydd's half-brother and not his son. The statement there was a daughter Nest does ring true, given what (little) we know of the first generations of the descendants of Gruffydd and Ealdgyth." | |
| − | + | *Clive West in a posting to Gen-Med 22 Aug 2007 quote Orderic Vitalis : "The Earls Edwin and Morcar, sons of the great Earl Aelfgar, were close friends and adherents of Harold (Godwin) and gave him help in their power; for he had taken to wife their sister Aldgyth. She had formerly been the wife of Gruffydd, a great Welsh prince and had born him Bleddyn and a daughter called Nest." (Historia Ecclesiastica Book III) | |
===William of Jumieges=== | ===William of Jumieges=== | ||
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*Paulvheath recommends in a posting to Gen-Medieval 14 Aug 2007 the book "Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings and Nobles" by W G Searle (1899), stating "He summarized the information known about Anglo-Saxon genealogies up to that time and carefully cited his sources, which can therefore be checked." | *Paulvheath recommends in a posting to Gen-Medieval 14 Aug 2007 the book "Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings and Nobles" by W G Searle (1899), stating "He summarized the information known about Anglo-Saxon genealogies up to that time and carefully cited his sources, which can therefore be checked." | ||
*Doug McDonald in a posting to Gen-Medieval 14 Aug 2007 cites a source : Walter Lee Sheppard, "Are you a descendant of Lady Godiva", *National Genealogical Society Quarterly*, vol. 50, no. 2 [June 1962], pp. 74-78 | *Doug McDonald in a posting to Gen-Medieval 14 Aug 2007 cites a source : Walter Lee Sheppard, "Are you a descendant of Lady Godiva", *National Genealogical Society Quarterly*, vol. 50, no. 2 [June 1962], pp. 74-78 | ||
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