Douglas Richardson, awaiting answers
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For newly published evidence that Countess Ida was a member of the Tony family, see Morris The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the 13th century (2005); 2, who cites a royal inquest dated 1275, in which jurors affirmed that Earl Roger le Bigod had received the manors of Acler, Halvergate, and South Walsham, Norfolk from King Henry II, in marriage with his wife, Ida de Tony (see Rotuli Hundredprum 1 (1812); 504, 537" To which he added : Assuming that this has been appropriately extracted, this would seem to be strong evidence that Ida did in fact belong to this family. Her exact placement remains to be documented. The credit question centers around discovery of evidence that 'Countess Ida', mother of William Longespee, is identical to Ida, wife of Roger Bigod. | For newly published evidence that Countess Ida was a member of the Tony family, see Morris The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the 13th century (2005); 2, who cites a royal inquest dated 1275, in which jurors affirmed that Earl Roger le Bigod had received the manors of Acler, Halvergate, and South Walsham, Norfolk from King Henry II, in marriage with his wife, Ida de Tony (see Rotuli Hundredprum 1 (1812); 504, 537" To which he added : Assuming that this has been appropriately extracted, this would seem to be strong evidence that Ida did in fact belong to this family. Her exact placement remains to be documented. The credit question centers around discovery of evidence that 'Countess Ida', mother of William Longespee, is identical to Ida, wife of Roger Bigod. | ||
| + | Ray Phar discovered the evidence that William Longespee was "brother" of a Bigod. The original document had been published in the 19th century, but the author did not address the significance - he just published the list of names. The information was lost to posterity until Ray found it and published a paper demonstrating exactly what this proved. In a post a couple of weeks ago, Richardson gave credit to the original (clueless) editor, and completely ignored the contribution of Ray Phar. | ||
5.Don Stone asked (17 October 2007): "What is the exact wording of this reference to Robert, brother of John Botetourt? If no surname is given, it occurs to me that it might be a Robert de Saham, (half) brother of John Botetourt, since John is elsewhere specified as a brother of William de Saham." | 5.Don Stone asked (17 October 2007): "What is the exact wording of this reference to Robert, brother of John Botetourt? If no surname is given, it occurs to me that it might be a Robert de Saham, (half) brother of John Botetourt, since John is elsewhere specified as a brother of William de Saham." | ||
