European link to the Mongols

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I have seen two sets of claims. Basarab, the founder of the family
 
I have seen two sets of claims. Basarab, the founder of the family
which bore his name, was son of Thocomerius of Wallachia. This appears
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which bore his name, was son of Thocomerius of Wallachia. This appears to be a rendering of the Cuman name Toktomer, and there was a Mongol princeling of this name lining in the Crimea at the time.  This has led to the suggestion (I specifically recall it from Montcrieffe) that the Basarabs were of Mongol origin.  I also recall there being some Russian nobility that married Mongols, and it has been claimed that Ivan the Terrible descended from them, but I don't recall the details.
to be a rendering of the Cuman name Toktomer, and there was a Mongol
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princeling of this name lining in the Crimea at the time.  This has
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led to the suggestion (I specifically recall it from Montcrieffe) that
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the Basarabs were of Mongol origin.  I also recall there being some
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Russian nobility that married Mongols, and it has been claimed that
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Ivan the Terrible descended from them, but I don't recall the details.
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It is perhaps relevant (and not coincidental) that these claims would
 
It is perhaps relevant (and not coincidental) that these claims would
trace the two (perhaps) most notorious European potentates (bearing in
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trace the two (perhaps) most notorious European potentates (bearing in mind that Vlad the Impaler was a Basarab) from Mongols.  Some of the accounts I have seen are explicit in the suggestion that it is the descent from Mongols that explain these Men Behaving Badly, which smacks of racism. This is as an aside, because the genealogy is what it is, and whatever metainterpretation people draw from it have no bearing on the facts, one way or the other."</blockquote>
mind that Vlad the Impaler was a Basarab) from Mongols.  Some of the
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accounts I have seen are explicit in the suggestion that it is the
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descent from Mongols that explain these Men Behaving Badly, which
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smacks of racism. This is as an aside, because the genealogy is what
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it is, and whatever metainterpretation people draw from it have no
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bearing on the facts, one way or the other."</blockquote>
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